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Mensaje por Saonois el Dom Nov 17, 2013 8:46 am

En la jornada de ayer, EMOTIONAL KITTEN'S volvió a darle un nuevo triunfo a los Ramsey, matrimonio de propietarios y criadores, que lo ha ganado absolutamente todo este año. Esta sucesión de éxitos increíbles (que no tienen precedentes en la hípica norteamericana), se debe fundamentalmente a un padrillo: el inigualable KITTEN'S JOY, un verdadero fuera de serie que, ante el asombro de muchos expertos, no necesita grandes madres para producir un ganador de grupo tras otro. Creo que, al paso que vamos, el día que le entreguen mejores madres, habrá de convertirse directamente en uno de los mejores stallions de todos los tiempos !!!!!! siii 

A continuación, les dejo a modo de homenaje, dos artículos sobre los Ramsey. Uno fue escrito por Andrew Beyer y el otro por Steve Haskin, nada menos que los dos mejores periodistas de los EStados Unidos.

En el futuro, invito a celebrar en este hilo, todos los grandes triunfos de los Ramsey y de los hijos de Kitten's Joy.

Si me acompañan en esta iniciativa, este hilo promete no tener fin.... Wink 


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Mensaje por Saonois el Dom Nov 17, 2013 8:49 am

Artículo publicado por el Daily Racing Form dos días antes de la Breeders Cup.

Andrew Beyer: Ken Ramsey is a self-made force in racing

ARCADIA, Cal. – Owner Ken Ramsey will be a prominent presence at the Breeders’ Cup Friday and Saturday, with seven starters in turf races, six of them offspring of his stallion Kitten’s Joy. This will be no surprise to racing fans because Ramsey has seemed ubiquitous all year.
He and his wife Sarah (known as “Kitten”) were the leading owners at the recent Keeneland meeting, and almost every day Ken Ramsey was leading a horse – whether a cheap claimer or a high-class stakes horse – into the winner’s circle. They set a record this summer for wins by an owner at Saratoga. They were the leading owner at Gulfstream Park. The 77-year-old Ramsey frequently gives enthusiastic interviews after his victories, so he’s highly visible and clearly a man who enjoys the spotlight.
But Ramsey isn’t the typical owner who simply bought his way into prominence; he deserves much of the credit for his success. He is responsible for a phenomenon that defies most of the precepts of the horse breeding business: the success of Kitten’s Joy. The stallion’s progeny are as ubiquitous as Ramsey himself, and even fans oblivious to pedigrees can hardly fail to notice what Breeders’ Cup entrants such as Bobby’s Kitten, Big Blue Kitten, Granny Mc’s Kitten, Kitten’s Dumplings and Kitten Kaboodle have in common.
Ramsey is a lifelong Kentuckian who always enjoyed racing – he briefly held a trainer’s license in his youth – but he was always busy with work. He said he “made over a million dollars in five different businesses,” most recently a cellular telephone network. After selling the latter enterprise in 1994 for more than $30 million, he said, “I could have sat under a palm tree, but I wanted to buy a horse farm.”
He acquired an historic farm near Lexington, plunged into a study of the Thoroughbred business and was obsessed by it.
“I worked on horses all day and dreamed about them at night,” he said.
He employs several top trainers – the current roster includes Chad Brown and Michael Maker – but he takes an active involvement in decisions about his horses. Brown said, “Outsiders see how passionate he is and they might think he’s barking orders all day. But he’s only involved when he needs to be. If we have ten decisions to make he’ll put his stamp on eight of them and the others we’ll work it out.”
After a decade, the Ramseys reached the zenith of the business. They were honored with the Eclipse Award as the nation’s outstanding owners of the 2004, largely because Kitten’s Joy had been the country’s champion turf runner and Roses in May the second-best dirt runner. Ramsey sold Roses in May to Japan for stud duties and kept Kitten’s Joy, planning to manage his career as a stallion. People who understand the breeding industry had reason to think he was making a naïve and expensive mistake.
Kitten’s Joy was an outstanding racehorse, to be sure; in 12 starts on grass, he scored nine wins and finished second in the other three. He was at his best in races at 1 1/4 and 1 1/2 miles. But Ramsey learned quickly: “Nobody wanted to breed to a mile-and-a-half turf horse.”
Such credentials are anathema in the U.S. Thoroughbred business; the list of U.S. grass champions is filled with ones who were abject failures at stud. Breeders and buyers want pedigrees that will give them precocious, quick young horses to run on dirt. Understanding that most breeders wouldn’t mate their mares to Kitten’s Joy, Ramsey knew he would have to supply most of the mares – a daunting prospect. He may be a wealthy man by the standards of the real world, but the breeding industry is dominated by Arab sheikhs and international tycoons who can spend millions for a single regally bred female. Ramsey wasn’t in this league.
So he decided to build a large breeding operation on the cheap. He studied the form of fillies in claiming races and tried to identify ones who – though they may have been mediocre runners – had ancestors who would mesh with the pedigree of Kitten’s Joy. “I claimed everything I could lay my hands on,” he said, and proceeded to build up a band of more than 100 mares.
His plan seemed fanciful – until the progeny of Kitten’s Joys started winning everywhere. This year, the stallion’s offspring have won 22 stakes and earned in the vicinity of $10 million. On the memorable day of Aug. 17, Ramsey won the Arlington Million with Real Solution (a son of Kitten’s Joy and out of a mare he had been claimed for $25,000); the $500,000 Secretariat Stakes at Arlington with Admiral Kitten; and, within the same hour, the $600,000 Sword Dancer Handicap at Saratoga with Big Blue Kitten.
Such success seems a mystery, even to pedigree experts. Why has Kitten’s Joy sired so many good runners? Chad Brown, who has trained a number of them, made this observation: “To be a top racehorse you have to be physically gifted, but it also takes an incredible mental constitution. You have to be focused to train every day. One after another, the Kitten’s Joys carry that trait. They’re tough-minded horses. They never get sour. They can’t wait to train and they drag their riders to get to the track.”
Whatever the explanation, once-skeptical people in the breeding industry can no longer be dismissive of Kitten’s Joy. Even with his stud fee likely to rise to $100,000 next year, breeders will be mating high-class mares to him, which will almost insure the stallion of even greater success. The demand will be further proof that Ramsey was right about Kitten’s Joy and the conventional wisdom was wrong.

http://www.drf.com/news/andrew-beyer-ken-ramsey-self-made-force-racing

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Mensaje por malal el Dom Nov 17, 2013 8:49 am

Sao... hace años que vengo diciendo que este padrillo es fuera de serie... pero en 2013 soprepaso esa fe que tengo en el...

ahh otra cosa... sus gremeros estrellas...real solution y big blue kitten no son para la costa oeste... sientieron mucho el cambio de costa...

esos dos en el este van a estar en la definicion de cuanto clasico corran...


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Mensaje por Gianni el Dom Nov 17, 2013 8:52 am

No estoy de acuerdo, diria entre suerte y "ayuditas...
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Mensaje por Saonois el Dom Nov 17, 2013 8:52 am

La alegría de los gatitos (en inglés, "kittens"). Publicado en la página de Bloodhorse.

The Joy of Kittens – Steve Haskin

“Winner’s circle; Ken Ramsey speaking.”

Ken Ramsey’s greeting on the phone shortly after Kitten Kaboodle’s victory in the Jessamine Stakes pretty much summed up the amazing run of victories he’s been on this year, especially the last four months.

It’s as if Disney has made a feline version of “1001 Dalmatians.” Racing has been literally overrun by kittens, (offspring of Kitten’s Joy that is), and you can expect to see as many as eight of them in the Breeders’ Cup alone.

What is even more amazing about Kitten’s Joy, in addition to being the No. 1 sire in earnings in America, the No. 1 turf sire, the No. 1 sire of grade I winners, the No. 1 sire of stakes winners, and the No. 1 sire of stakes horses, is the fact that his offspring all look alike and run alike, and as a genetic phenomenon, they all seem to be the same bay color, even though Kitten’s Joy was a chestnut.

Ramsey has kept the reason for that a mystery, saying it’s like the formula for Coca-Cola. And he’s not telling, other than to say he’s figured out what to breed to and what not to breed to, and what to put in the sale and what not to put in the sale. He is a firm believer that stallions, such as Tapit, will stamp their best horses with a particular color. In Kitten’s Joy’s case, that obviously is bay, despite the stallion’s own color.

Ramsey, through exhaustive research and the determination to do things his way, has created his own gene pool where offspring of Kitten’s Joy (a huge number of them major stakes horses) seem to be churned out off an assembly line. And he’s done it mostly with cheap to moderate-priced broodmares.

When Ramsey initially had trouble selling Kitten’s Joy as a stallion, he used the money he earned from winning the Dubai World Cup and bought an arsenal of mares from the sales ring and claiming races and built sort of his own Kitten’s Joy harem.

He hopes to put the stallion on display at this year’s Breeders’ Cup, and is optimistic he will make a major impact, and is planning on raising his stud fee to $100,000 next year. He admits he’s dreaming when he talks about possibly having multiple Breeders’ Cup winners, but says he’s put himself in position to get lucky again.

Ramsey has been leading owner this year at almost every track at which he’s competed with a string of horses – whether they’re trained by Chad Brown, Mike Maker, Wayne Catalano, or any of the other trainers he uses. He keeps a file folder on each of his trainers and maintains up-to-date past performances on each horse that he owns. After one of them runs, his secretary will pull the past performances the following day so he’ll know exactly what the Beyer speed figure was. Then he’ll call his guy at the Ragozin Sheets and get the Sheets number. He keeps all the condition books and will go over each horse with his trainers to decide where that horse should run next. He admits he’s very aggressive spotting his horses, and if one should get claimed, so be it.

“I don’t tell my trainers what to do or boss them around,” he said. “But I’ll put my two cents worth in.”

It is safe to say Ramsey is cut from a different cloth than other owners and breeders. He’ll “suspend” a jockey, no matter who he or she is, for not following instructions (the Kitten’s Joys need to be ridden a certain way). He’ll take horses away from a trainer if they’re not in the kind of physical shape he feels they should be. And he’ll turn down grade I mares with impeccable pedigrees if he feels they don’t have the correct pedigree to match up with Kitten Joy. Yet he will claim a filly for $15,000 if she does match up with him, and often will get a Kitten’s Joy stakes winner out of her.

In dealing with jockeys, he said. “I’m not interested in excuses; I’m interested in performance. We’ll get somebody else to ride. I don’t have any problem getting jockeys to ride the Ramsey horses.”

Although it seems as if Ramsey breeds an army of mares to Kitten’s Joy every year, he says that’s not the case.

“I only bred 40 mares to Kitten’s Joy this year,” he said. “The most we ever we bred was 80 in his heyday. His only knock is that he didn’t have a yearling like War Front that brought $2 million at the sale. People never wanted to buy a Kitten’s Joy because they said ‘I’m not gonna buy that horse ‘cause Ramsey claimed the mare for $25,000 or $40,000 or $15,000.’

“But there was a method to the madness. We didn’t just go out and pick up any mare. We picked has-beens instead of never wases. But the gene pool is there. All the stuff clicks. If I can replicate the same pedigree with 20 mares and can put the same gene pool in there. there’ll be three or four of them of the 20 that will end up being graded stakes horses. The percentage is on my side getting the gene pool mix. When the sperm hits the egg that’s it, its decided. So I’m making damn sure that mixture is in most of the pedigrees that I breed to Kitten’s Joy.

“I’ve turned down grade I stakes mares. I’ve had the farm manager call me and say, ‘Mr. Ramsey, you must not have seen the pedigree.’ I said I have seen the pedigree and I don’t like the pedigree. I’m not interested in selling at the sale. I’m interested in breeding a racehorse, one that can run. So I’ll turn down a mare; I don’t want to waste a lot of sperm, because he’s busy breeding, sometimes three or times a day and I don’t want the mare being brought back here three or four times.”

One of the biggest keys to Kitten’s Joy’s success is his conception rate, the life span of his sperm cells, and his demeanor and personality in the breeding shed.

“He has a 93% conception rate and his sperm lives four and five days,” Ramsey said. “It’s amazing for the sperm to live that long. So, if a mare comes in here and ovulates any time within that time frame, 93 out of 100 walk out pregnant. He’s very gentle in the breeding shed. He’s got a beautiful temperament, which is why you don’t see any of his horses raring up and acting crazy at the starting gate. They’re all even-tempered horses with that quick pace.

“The secret is, to win with these horses you have to bring them from off the pace. That’s why I make sure I put the right jockey on the right horse. I don’t care if they’re male or female or what their religion is – Jewish. Hindu, Muslim, or Catholic – I don’t care. And I don’t care what color they are. I’m looking for the right jockey to ride the right horse and ride like we want him to, and I don’t give a damn who he or she is. You can win an Eclipse Award as leading jockey, but if you don’t fit the horse you’re not gonna ride him.”

Of the 42 stakes winners Kitten’s Joy has had, Ramsey as bred and raised 39 of them on his farm.

“I have no city water for my horses here on this farm,” he said. “I experimented a few years back. I got two big tubs of city water, so the horses could smell the chlorine and all the other chemicals. I put it over beside Jessamine Creek, which runs through my farm, and I have a trough over there that has spring water – 57 degrees coming out of the side of the bank. I took 10 horses over there in a van and didn’t give them any water that morning.

“We loaded them up and took them over about 1 o’clock and turned them out in the field. These were all thirsty horses who hadn’t drank anything in four or five hours. They came to the city water first. They all sniffed it; one of them went over and started drinking out of the creek, and every one of the others went over and started drinking the 57-degree cold water coming out of the spring. So now I have spring water in nine of my fields, flowing by gravity from one field to the next. I have a 2,000-gallon holding tank that runs out of the spring and gives it enough pressure that it spouts out of each of the three troughs.”

As for Kitten’s Joy, he is treated like the king he is.

“We spent $300,000 on what we call Kitten’s Spa,” Ramsey said. “It’s an underwater treadmill, and we have the old boy in there five days a week. After that, we take him out and put him on a vibrating platform that increases the bone density.

Ramsey believes his success begins on the farm, an old Kentucky establishment dating back to the Revolutionary War where Exterminator was raised, as well as the immortal trotter Greyhound. The soil is abundant in potash and lime, and every spring, the University of Kentucky comes out and does a complete analysis of all the pastures to see if there are any deficiencies. If there are it is quickly rectified. So, the horses are assured of getting good nutrition and diets, and as a result they’re raised tough and they run tough.

“None of my horses are put up at night,” Ramsey said. “All of them run out in the cold, rain, and snow. The only time I put them up was when we had an ice storm several years ago. All these mares and babies and yearlings run out 365 days a year, 24 hours a day. You do not want to buy a horse at a sale that was sold as a weanling, then sold as a yearling, and now they’re trying to pinhook as a 2-year-old, because he’s spent so much time in a stall in the summertime when he should have been out there stretching his legs running and eating green grass and scuffling around with his 25 or 30 buddies in the field. Instead he’s standing in a stall not getting any exercise because the consignor does not want the sun to bleach his coat out. If he takes that horse to the sale with a bleached coat, the buyers don’t want that. They want that shiny thing, just like when you go to a jewelry store and they have those special spotlights shining on the diamonds, so it knocks your eye out every time it hits one of those points.

“Those are what I call hot house horses, with the toes all polished and the mane combed down, and his coat just glistening. And he’s on that extra fat diet when he’s too chubby to start with. I send my yearling down there and he doesn’t look nearly as good or nearly that fat, but at the end of the day, when you put them on the racetrack, the Kitten’s Joys are just as competitive as the horse who was hot-housed, and a lot of times is much more sound and durable. We hardly have any breakdowns with these Kitten’s Joys and it’s due to the way they were raised.

Ramsey, who once was a trainer himself, having won at River Downs, has had success with horses by other stallions, but the vast majority are by Kitten’s Joy, who is the king who reigns the Ramsey empire. That is his pride and joy, who he has taken from being a relatively unwanted stallion and elevated him to the top of the breeding world, where he has wreaked havoc on all those who originally turned him down.

As an example, Ramsey and trainer Chad Brown won the grade II Bowling Green Handicap Sept. 7 with the improving Hyper, a son of Victory Gallop. Although Hyper certainly belongs in the Breeders’ Cup Turf, having finished in the money in his last seven starts, Ramsey will pass the Breeders’ Cup, because he and Brown have two grade I-winning sons of Kitten’s Joy – Big Blue Kitten and Real Solution – already pointing for the Turf.

“If I’m gonna get a Kitten’s Joy beat in the Breeders’ Cup Turf it damn sure is not gonna be with one of my own horses,” he said. “So were running Hyper in the Canadian International. The only way he would go to the Breeders’ Cup is if something happened to both of the others.”

Despite Ramsey’s abundance of stakes victories, he could have had more. “We got beat three head bobs -- in the Virginia, Derby, the Joe Hirsch (Turf Classic), and the Jamaica,” Ramsey said. “That could have gone the other way, but, heck, we’re still winning enough of them anyway.”

Despite all the work and all the factors that go into it, Ramsey can sum up his success very simply: “To be honest with you, I’m good and I know I’m good. And that makes me very dangerous.”

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Mensaje por Saonois el Dom Nov 17, 2013 9:10 am

malal escribió:Sao... hace años que vengo diciendo que este padrillo es fuera de serie... pero en 2013 soprepaso esa fe que tengo en el...

ahh otra cosa... sus gremeros estrellas...real solution y big blue kitten no son para la costa oeste... sientieron mucho el cambio de costa...

esos dos en el este van a estar en la definicion de cuanto clasico corran...
No fue normal lo de BIG BLUE KITTEN en el Turf. Hasta TWILIGHT ZONE, a quien le había ganado por escándalo anteriormente, llegó delante suyo. En cuanto a REAL SOLUTION, es un gran caballo, pero creo que su mejor potencial está en distancias no superiores a los dos kilómetros.

Absurdamente, Gianni vuelve a insistir con la "ayudita" a los Ramsey, refiriéndose al distanciamiento de THE APACHE en el Arlington Million en beneficio de REAL SOLUTION. Unicamente Gianni cuestiona la decisión de los comisarios de Arlington. Como será la cosa que, hasta el mismo Mike De Kock (cuidador del caballo distanciado), reconoció que Soumillon había molestado groseramente. Si REAL SOLUTION hubiera corrido libremente (sin la pérdida de línea y pechazos que impidieron que llegara primero), THE APACHE habría quedado a más de un cuerpo del hijo de Kitten's Joy.

Lo que sucede es que Gianni está cansado de ver "películas" como las de ayer en Churchill Downs: Una Tapit que costó fortunas como TAPICAT, aplastada por una hija de Kitten's Joy que cuando nació valía diez veces menos..... affraid 

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Mensaje por Trastevere el Dom Nov 17, 2013 9:41 am

Excelente tema y mejores artículos
Muchas GRACIAS Saonois
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Mensaje por Gianni el Dom Nov 17, 2013 9:44 am

Estas mal informado Sanois ..Tapicat ayer termino manco...le puede pasar a cualquiera, de lo contrario se los habria tragado....
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Mensaje por Gianni el Dom Nov 17, 2013 9:48 am

Mi pregunta es si es tan bueno porque no gano ninguna de las series de la BC, porque todos sus hijos estaban subidos de lote, asi de facil, si es cierto que ganas pero tambien han tenido ayuditas, tema que no puedo relatarlo como deberia, conosco en persona  a Ramsey me parece ademas una gran persona recuerdo cuando tenia ese gran caballo Roses in May que luego fue vendido para el japon.

Si no te concoiera Saonis diria que perteneces al Tea Party!!!!


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Mensaje por Saonois el Dom Nov 17, 2013 10:27 am

Gianni escribió:Mi pregunta es si es tan bueno porque no gano ninguna de las series de la BC
Bobby’s Kitten debió ganar la Juvenile Cup Turf, pero una pésima conducción por parte de Javier Castellano, le impidió quedarse con la victoria y conservar el invicto.

Luego de la carrera, los Ramsey no tenían consuelo. Fue insólito lo que hizo Castellano que no creo que vuelva a correrles nunca más.

BOBBY’S KITTEN es el “FRANKEL” norteamericano (ambos caballos homenajean con su nombre al fallecido cuidador Bobby Frankel). El año que viene no tendrá rivales en las carreras que dispute en césped. Este es otro fenómeno hijo de Kitten's Joy. Y vendrán más, muchos más, algunos de los cuales serán todavía mejores...

Estamos muy lejos de conocer el techo de este increíble padrillo.


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Mensaje por Gianni el Dom Nov 17, 2013 10:50 am

Bobby’s Kitten debió ganar la Juvenile Cup Turf,

(pasado remoto) debio, please Saonois..eso  suena a yo casi me gano la........, no podemos estar siempre mirando  a los que a la llegada los vemos con el retrovisor, el que gana gana y ya......

Ciao Uruaguayooooooo
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Mensaje por Saonois el Dom Nov 17, 2013 11:02 am

Qué querés que te diga, Gianni? Sin ánimo de ingresar en ninguna polémica tonta, si a mí me dan a escoger entre TAPIT y KITTEN'S JOY para traerlos - vía shuttle - a Uruguay, yo no lo dudo... Elijo a KITTEN, por supuesto !!!!! . Su futuro como stallion es mucho más promisorio, su campaña de pistas fue notoriamente superior y sus hijos poseen una endurance y durabilidad que los precoces hijos del tordo (a quienes les cuesta muchísimo concretar luego, todo lo bueno que insinúan a temprana edad), ciertamente no poseen.

Ciao, querido tanooooooooooooo   Laughing

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Mensaje por Gianni el Dom Nov 17, 2013 11:12 am

No lo estoy descalificando, ademas porque es un linea muy segura, El Prado/Sadle's Wells/Northern Dancer y demas, seria un tonto si lo descalificara.
son secillamente opiniones, la tuya algo distinta de la mia. lo que pasa es que yo muero con la mia, y no cabio como e visto muchas veces....(esa es la gran diferencia)

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